Hindu/Celtic Connection?

topic posted Sun, October 22, 2006 - 11:14 PM by  Kitsa
I am just wondering what leads people to make the connections? I have a great love of things Hindu/Indian, and yet my path, my bloodline and my ethnic background are Irish. So the question i wanted to throw out to this group is..why? What is it that leds us to make this internal connection? Just a little food for thought, discussion, debate.
Kitsa
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Kitsa
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  • Re: Hindu/Celtic Connection?

    Mon, October 23, 2006 - 9:57 AM
    Good question! The connection DOES seem far-fetched, UNTIL you look back at ancient history and modern perpectives.
    The Celts and the Vedics of India both have their roots in Indo-European bloodlines and culture and share many similarities, including language. In fact, the connection between the Celtic Druids and the Vedic priesthood is so similar, that many modern Celtic/Irish poets and writers (such as Yeats) referenced Vedic literature as well as modern Hindu scriptures (Upanishads) and mythology in their own writings (www.radicaldruid.com/movable..._t.html)
    Janet Farrar and Gavin Bone, in their book "Progressive Witchcraft", have speculated that if left un-Christianized, modern Europe's pagan religions would have looked similar to Hinduism (p. 84). There are connections between Shiva/Cernnunos, Kali/Morrigan, Brahma/Dagda, Saraswati/Brigid, and so on. Joeseph Campbell also discusses these connections in "The Power of Myth" and "Sukhavati". So, as we see, the Celtic/Hindu roots are very old....but then, don't take my word for it...read it for yourself!
    Blessings
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      Mon, October 23, 2006 - 3:44 PM
      I am dragging out my copy of "The Power of Myth" right now....time for some research.
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        Mon, October 23, 2006 - 4:23 PM
        Well, speaking as a historian, there has been a lot of talk on and off about India as the origin point of the Celts. As a nomadic peoples, most of the writings we have mention that they were essentailly passing through, but there was not really good hint about where they were going FROM. But I am thinking more on a personal level. What is it that draws us to this particular combination???
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          Wed, November 8, 2006 - 11:51 PM
          Perhaps Farrar and Bone can answer that: in their book "Progressive Witchcraft", they discuss the draw of modern Pagans towards religions like Hinduism, Shinto, Voodun, and Santeria. The reason they give is because these are LIVING traditions, able to adapt to the modern world. They speculate that if Europe had not been Christianized, those pagan traditions would have evolved into something like Hinduism. In fact, they advise that all Witches visit a Hindu temple at least once in their lives, to feel the presence of living gods. Now, considering that India was under British rule for nearly a century, and that many Indians call the UK their home, this connection does not seem all that far-fetched. Now here in America, it may be harder to make the connection, which is odd considering that many Pagans I know combine Celtic with Native American spirituality. Why? Because for many of them it's part of their ancestral make-up (I'm part Irish and part Cherokee Indian). Now, many of our great-great-grandparents were from the UK and Ireland, and upon comming here, settled in large metropolitain areas and in the Appalachian Mountains, and many of us who are practicing Pagans and have Scots-Irish roots feel that we should honor the gods of our ancestral homeland and ancestral people...they Celts. And of course this just goes back to what Farrar and Bone were saying: we have Celtic roots, and we try to revive the old gods, and so get inspiration from living traditions, Hinduism being the most accessible.
          Whew! It's a roundabout answer, but there you go.
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      Sun, October 28, 2007 - 11:00 AM
      I've thought about this connection for some time. My heritage is mostly Scottish, and I've had spiritual interactions with Morrigan since I was a kid (before I even knew anything about Scottish or Celtic things).

      For the past few years I've been studying with a Hindu mystic from a Goddess worshipping village in India. Through our conversations and experiences Morrigan seems very much like Matangi, one of the 10 Mahadevi's and part of the triple Goddess (like Nemain/Babd and Macha and Morrigan), and she is considered the wild forest goddess who cannot be contained. She often shows up as a Raven, just as Morrigan does.

      The similarities between Hinduism and Celtic paths are more than intellectual curiosities for us. The names and cultural stylings might be different, but it’s the same fabric and the same mystic path.
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      Mon, October 29, 2007 - 9:23 PM
      Apparently as late as the mid 1990s many scholars have come forward in opposition to these comperative views, viewing them as antedated; because, apparently KimMcCone argues, a Christian "genesis" is more convincing for Irish mytho-religious origins than any IE/Hindu associations. What does everyone else think about this and such arguments?!
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        Tue, February 5, 2008 - 2:32 AM
        As a follower of Brighid, I too was drawn to Saraswati and the TriDevi. Im now married to a Hindu and I have to say that our traditions and views are so similar. Besides, we are Indo-Europeans...India is our Celtic motherland.
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        Tue, February 5, 2008 - 9:03 AM
        I would suggest that there is certainly evidence to support a Christian "modification" of earlier, in-place, religious beliefs, origins, and evolution. This is consistent with Christian practices at the time (the re-interpretation of existent religious beliefs in a Christian context) and archeological evidence (that the so-called "Aryan Invasion" from Europe into India didn't take place; rather the reverse occurred) as well as extensive evidence of early Indian ocean travel. There is also extensive etymological associations, however I personally find such evidence to be interesting but non-compelling.

        There are at least two books from the 18th and 19th centuries that purport to show that the beliefs of the Druids and Irish language are directly related to the ancient Hebrews. While interesting, there is no "smoking gun" providing proof that such influence existed. Due to the actions of some Christians during their take over of Celtic territories including Ireland, I doubt if any "smoking gun" direct connection between India and the Celts will be found. However, an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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          Wed, February 6, 2008 - 2:51 AM
          Christianity is an interpretation of the solar religion of Egypt, this story is entirely astrological as told by the bible. Christians didnt actually take over our culture, my ancestors absorbed it and made it their own, until the Roman Catholics decided to end the Celtic Church due to its closeness with Paganism.

          The goddess Brighid is derived from the term 'Brahti' : in Sanskrit means 'High One'. The ways of the Brahmins and the Druids are extraordinarily similar in philosophy. I would be more inclined to question a Jewish link to the Celts, as there are no similarities in culture or DNA. Whereas, genetically, Europeans are from Central Asia and India.
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    Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:54 PM
    That is a qustion for Pagios, you will find him on labva.net I'll be back after due research on the sublect, being involved in both paths. History is recorded in the Vedas and the Bible so different nations may come from the same offspring. In that case it is likely that Ham founded Ehypt, India and Eire. The first tribes, however were Vendi and not to my knowledge Celts, perhaps lingering around Latvia. IThe research does need the quiet of a true library unlike Wikipedia et al luu.com/astrology The Celts obviousely must come from somewhere, and the connection is possible. A Japetic branch could have connections with the Wendi and thus Magog or Russia, that would account for a part of Siberian majik. The topic is however too complex for a short essay, even in bona fide. The solution is in acting on teh astral domain, say toninght in unison.

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